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Post by x141 on Jan 17, 2013 12:29:43 GMT
I believe everything we see with our eyes is a perception/confusion of our own making, much like the nakedness Adam claimed as his inheritance (just a story line to bring us to something). We only wander when a thought that is birthed out of gain causes us to bring forth a process of time which time is separation, separation division, division a lie, God is not divided. When we read the parable of the ten virgins and the one five tell the other five that they must go to those who sell, we immediately have the perception (due to the mouth of an immoral woman) that they were going some place other than between their ears which makes God merchandise or a position to be gained (I wil exalt my throne above God's). When in fact, one of the realites presented in this is the three feasts of a woman. We come up three times to jerusalem to keep seven feasts (though this goes much farther than this) that reveal a son. We are now in uncharted waters, only Jesus passing this way before us. Those who will hold onto anything will lose it all, (not a bad thing, one way or another the rock gets you, we are broken upon it or it falls on us). I see so many wonderful things, more than I have seen the previous day, each day swallowing up the last one. Do not try to hold onto what is revealed in you, what is being revealed in you is you and not of gain. We are the language of God, who our Father himself, by the revealing of himself in the son in us of whom we are (and from whom all blessing's flow) is turning in us a pure language, one not of gain. The Son and the Word and inheritance are all truths of who we are, being always in him from before the beginning, an always were or place of no gain.
What is salvation is a question that has no answer, where both the question and the answer are the same, and is an ascending forever in this which he has made us to be in him. We are in relationship to God what he percieve's us to be, therefore we are I am. It is of grace and mercy because it is not of gain. Even Jesus (the living soul of him) said the stone that was cast away as wortheless has become the pinnacle of the Truth and it was marvelous in our eyes, which included himself, speaking what in the moment as an angel descending and then ascending upon him fed him of the life he himself was. He fulfilled the law not because he kept it, he was the life he believed himself to be. The Son of God ... as he is so are we.
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Post by x141 on Jan 18, 2013 12:27:16 GMT
(Somemore thoughts)
What it comes down to is we are as he is, if we take in the measureless truth it closes the pit, that is our mind and it's thoughts/children is seeded according to the perception of our husband, who is in the image of our Father/God, we being both sister and spouse to our husband, which all has to do with the advent, which is as a seed, where the path becomes a gathering rather than a scattering, ascending as opposed to descending, this being the process between our ears caused in part and along with the words that come out of our mouth and the process of this revelaing in every son/word of the language of the truth. God's nakedness revealed in us as it was on the cross as it was for Adam, we being all of one. Nothing is outside of him, if it were he could not be our father or fill all things. Our perception is holding this truth back just as it did in gailee to them concering the word of life that was among them, jesus, being he was healing not healing no one but only those who percieved this to be so, it became to them this. All creation that seems to be external from us is in fact the same truth that due to our perception or lack, that he does not fill all things is why to us he does not. The vail is the hymen, the birthing from within, Noses' tabernacle is the this woman in the midst of the firstborn (not in the cloud) but she is on a cross and wandering in a wilderness. These truths have no dimension, like father they have no beginning and no end, a wheel with in a wheel and full of eyes all around, a consuming fire, two wheels.
One key (a son who is both the seventh and the eight) is the message that closes the pit and binds or takes captivity captive. To know where we are is to know we are I am. The woman/soul is all about perception. Your words "I don't understand" puts us on the outside looking in or without the city.
In the statment Jesus made about their father his father and his words abiding not abiding in them and therefore unable to hear him is the this some partake and some do not, but this is due to the place that individuals find themselves at in the process, the first help meet is feminine and does not have the identity of the masculine or we do not obey the commandment of our father (life/son/truth, we are). Those who are willing and obedient eat the good of the land. To not eat or suffer the woman to speak is a closing of the pit and the opening of a feast prepared by a woman that has no end. We must remember the kingdm is feminine her husband her seed (not seed of a serpent) that brings or fills the earth or between our ears with children of light. The thoughts have no labor, they are not feminine, each are as a my sister my spouse and masculine together, the daughter of my father and not the daughter of my mother, which has to be seen as these two perceptions of the holy spirit.
What makes something not yet is our perception that it is or it is not. Way before (or was it way before) Jesus spilt his blood God was calling us to reason with him and our sins (perception) would become as if they were not. Reason with man (living soul/ feminine with a help meet that is feminine, two woman, ie. perception) and you become unclean or a fool.
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Post by x141 on Jan 18, 2013 14:00:30 GMT
We think of the fall as a bad thing, but it is the pattern from the beginning ... if a seed does not fall to the ground it abides alone, everytime the seed falls, it is there where nakedness is revealed. It is the unending truth of the price of fellowship.
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Post by x141 on Jan 19, 2013 20:25:37 GMT
I have found the place where the fruit remains and the forces of the gentiles (knowledge) flow into it.
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Post by x141 on Jan 21, 2013 12:46:45 GMT
Some thoughts from Craig on the role of the man and the woman. I appolgize ahead of time for it being long ... his words not mine : )
God is calling mankind back into the realm of the masculine. In the beginning we see a casting down into the realm of the feminine. The earth essentially gives birth to Adam... Remember before there was a man to till the earth a mist went up and watered the face of the ground? I know when I work in my back yard a mist rises up from the face of my ground (body) anybody in labor perspires... When we read about a mist watering the face of the earth, the very next verse man is brought onto the scene as being formed out of the dust of the ground. So the earth is feminine? From there we see that God placed man into the garden (the garden is feminine).
It's important to see the feminine here... Before man was called Adam, he was placed into the garden where all the trees that are good for food are located, also the Tree of Life as well as the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. Man (not Adam) was in a realm where he was able to see both trees at the same time, side by side, giving one the ability to choose if you will... God gives man (not Adam) a commandment to not eat from the T.O.K. The man not Adam is given a commandment from his FATHER.
This distinction is very important.
In the Psalm s" The Lord commanded the blessing, life forevermore." This commandment of our Father is to His sons not named. This commandment is to man and not Adam.
As previously stated, the scriptures make reference to a man and not a man called Adam? Adam's name appears only when God brings all the animals to man so that Adam can name them... He is only given a name once he has labored. This is all feminine, because one can't live in this realm without a name and one can only get into this realm from the womb of a woman... So now Adam needs a helpmate but there isn't one found for him, so God places him into a deep sleep and of course we see the birthing of a woman (not Eve).
The woman is not a literal woman... The woman is our mind, will, and our intellect. This is the woman present in all of us today.
There is no judgment of sin in the realm of the masculine only in the realm of the feminine. Here is the first example... (That I am able to see)
The whole time Adam is tending and keeping the garden (vineyard) he is not keeping his own garden (vineyard, remember the Shulamite?) Spiritually speaking he is actually eating from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil... Simply laboring in the garden was eating from the T.O.K. Remember when Mary saw Jesus, after His resurrection, in the garden? She thought He was the gardener? This time the second Adam (Jesus) was not tending and keep the garden, He is the Tree of Life.
However the judgment for Adam's labor in the garden was the woman. It is only after this that Adam is placed into a deep sleep and of course we have the woman brought forth... The Book of Proverbs says "Laziness cast one into a deep sleep." The laboring of Adam was actually spiritual laziness that placed him into a deep sleep and a further casting down into the realm of the feminine, because now the woman is brought forth.
Now that the woman is brought forth, the serpent begins to speak to her (mind, will, and intellect, within) about the tree in the midst of the garden... Notice now they see only one tree? They now dwell in the realm of the feminine and in this realm we can only see the T.O.K not the Tree of Life. As you all know she eats and gives to her husband with her... But Adam had already eaten from the Tree (spiritually speaking)simply by laboring in the garden, like Martha being the dutiful servant and Mary choosing the better part and not being caught up in service(s).
The final casting down (or so I understand at this point of my awareness) is a man called Adam and woman called Eve.
From here on out mankind continues to manifest the feminine and to be cast down into an abysmal hell and a deep sleep.
But God in His mercy opens a door.
This open door or rib if you will, is a Son, the out raying of the divine, the Word, the very image of God. Now the Son of God is born and the path back into the masculine or heavenlies is revealed in the form of Jesus Christ. The problem is that if we only see Jesus in His earth walk as revealed in the Gospels and as a Man who did wonderful works, and ultimately died for our sins we are still imprisoned in the midst of the feminine...
The masculine sees both trees, on the path of becoming one TREE.
The masculine sees the Testimony of Jesus as revealed in the Gospels (T.O.K.) and the Word of God revealing as revealed by Holy Spirit or the Sprit of Truth(T.O.L.).
Remember the Apostle John?
He wrote the book called, "The Revelation of Jesus Christ (however Christians call it Revelations)?" John was able to see the "Revelation of Jesus Christ" because he was a witness to the Testimony of Jesus as well as the Word of God... He was in a realm to see both trees... But the end of his revelation reveals one TREE.
For those who have ears to hear with, God is giving us a name that no one knows except the one who has it (Revs 2:17). We are being called into a realm that needs no name... Remember as stated above... The commandment from God life forevermore is to those un-named and not called Adam.
The path of the feminine sees only what one is told. The realm of the feminine is where one man sits in the midst of the many and hears one man tell him what to believe and what to think... The realm of the feminine is collectivist thinking. Don't think in terms of the church system only... This thinking is the beast/system/666 that is consuming all mankind.
The path of the masculine is the Word of God revealing. The masculine sees the path or Christ, this path is unseen if one is taught by men. The Christ path is un-seeable if being taught by men, this path can only be seen by the mercy of God. The mercy of God or the key of David is the opening of another door and letting one look through and enter into this open door within. The revealing of Christ is a Word sent to heal mankind and return them back into the realm of the masculine out of the realm of sin and death which of course is feminine.
Notice now that Jesus tells those who have ears to hear with that a helpmate will come after He, Jesus, is exalted that "HE" the Helpmate, the Spirit of Truth, will come and guide you in all Truth. This Spirit of Truth is masculine... This Word, this Truth, this Path will draw us back into the heavenlies where there is no sin and death... The masculine is the path that will lead to the one TREE.
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Post by stein on Jan 21, 2013 21:12:17 GMT
a good post i think x141, i just think that in the world today, besides what is already behind us, or me. woman are equal to a man. of course with their own character of a female and the male with his character. thinking so simple and withou any sin any where. the beast the system the 666 or 999 which is or can be as one' will or may consume six snakes. just like when mozes and the farao thrown down their power(s) on the ground and turned into a snake, or at least the farao threw 6 which were all six eaten by the 'one' that mozes threw. it is an individual world, where individual freedom will be most important of all. at least to a believer in christ, who teaches us to cut of from our father and mother, and become one in following god. so that each for each. not a system to speak of. in this manner. imagine i had a kid, i would treat him or her as 'one' principle seen. so we are about on the same line. but i or we are now i guess in a state where the freedom has been given, sort a way and where the trouble in the world isnt gone, you see that to i guess. i see and i hear. gr.
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Post by noxot on Jan 26, 2013 21:04:29 GMT
ahhh! this is all too hard to try to explain. how exactly can I ever try to explain that all the angels are going through 'a process of time' too? or should I call it a process of the larger picture that we are all going though, 'the process of eternity'? what is the soul/female reality? just a lesser version of the larger masculine/nous/spirit picture? the fallen nature is part of this reality though. origen seems to have pointed out a difference in between, measure and number. but i don't have a good enough understanding of what he means yet, maybe I will paste that part later. but he said measure is this matter reality but number was something else.
in this world we have to be humble and subject even if we are free. i have been readings this kind of stuff lately and it has been tripping my mind 0.0
origen - De Principiis 2 - Highlight Loc. 742-45 For the Creator gave, as an indulgence to the understandings created by Him, the power of free and voluntary action, by which the good that was in them might become their own, being preserved by the exertion of their own will; but slothfulness, and a dislike of labour in preserving what is good, and an aversion to and a neglect of better things, furnished the beginning of a departure from goodness.
origen De Principiis 2 - Highlight Loc. 804-20 6. We, however, although but men, not to nourish the insolence of the heretics by our silence, will return to their objections such answers as occur to us, so far as our abilities enable us. We have frequently shown, by those declarations which we were able to produce from the holy Scriptures, that God, the Creator of all things, is good, and just, and all-powerful. When He in the beginning created those beings which He desired to create, i.e., rational natures, He had no other reason for creating them than on account of Himself, i.e., His own goodness. As He Himself, then, was the cause of the existence of those things which were to be created, in whom there was neither any variation nor change, nor want of power, He created all whom He made equal and alike, because there was in Himself no reason for producing variety and diversity. But since those rational creatures themselves, as we have frequently shown, and will yet show in the proper place, were endowed with the power of free-will, this freedom of will incited each one either to progress by imitation of God, or reduced him to failure through negligence. And this, as we have already stated, is the cause of the diversity among rational creatures, deriving its origin not from the will or judgment of the Creator, but from the freedom of the individual will. Now God, who deemed it just to arrange His creatures according to their merit, brought down these different understandings into the harmony of one world, that He might adorn, as it were, one dwelling, in which there ought to be not only vessels of gold and silver, but also of wood and clay (and some indeed to honour, and others to dishonour), with those different vessels, or souls, or understandings. And these are the causes, in my opinion, why that world presents the aspect of diversity, while Divine Providence continues to regulate each individual according to the variety of his movements, or of his feelings and purpose. On which account the Creator will neither appear to be unjust in distributing (for the causes already mentioned) to every one according to his merits; nor will the happiness or unhappiness of each one's birth, or whatever be the condition that falls to his lot, be deemed accidental; nor will different creators, or souls of different natures, be believed to exist.I guess it was just the same repeating thing that others have said. 0.0 I really have got to stop being so torn in my mind.
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Post by stein on Jan 27, 2013 14:29:07 GMT
(about the mouth)
more sensable in prayer as well, it is not just the mouth in this way. do we need to keep active, or with passion to go on. it's exactly what is said in the bible yes that which comes from the mouth. so let that be only good to me, or from me.
for no wi see no trouble, within me or my past, thinking of difficulties i been through. and i would try to set myself secure and be with only this good that can come from the mouth, or be written down.
and i will keep on writing as well, there are so many words in just so many good ways. to be ongoing forever. solitary but (btw what does solitary mean?) also all regarding good and sight and sense and everything.
from the mouth or not as long as it is good. for the rest i guess people know at least better then me the way or what route to go. or did so or do so. i be living in this way gladly and rather never much else.
i'll describe till eternity if i have the words for it. when i do. evil to be considered as an enemy to love. just as jesus said. without sin to be in certain ways, cause sin does not really exist in speaking terms. (sure there is things..) leaving the option of a devil aside. we can think about this much but it can also be plain simple to see, or have in mind. in good ways as well.
though we or i may struggle on at times, and feel less good. and think much or say much, maybe even do much within it sadly enough. but in basics there is no devil as in a human sense.
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