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Post by stein on Jan 3, 2012 20:06:47 GMT
i would like to discuss wether a psychosis is a disease or not.
i say it isnt at all.
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Post by noxot on Jan 11, 2012 20:27:47 GMT
there is a fine line between insanity and knowledge. I don't think Jesus had a psychosis and so I think that it must be something to do with the fallen nature of not just the human condition but with all souls that are not perfect.
but then again I feel so unique with my psychosis and sometimes I just do not want to be perfect.
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Post by stein on Jan 11, 2012 22:22:16 GMT
so you think psychosis has to do with fallen nature? you mean like the flood? and after adam at the fruit?
i can find myself in that, but does that then also mean psychosis is a disease? i guess not from what ur saying.
it is that fallen nature why jesus came according to christian theology, to take away that sin.
and he wasnt insane you say, i agree on that. (though there's bible verses that suggest he was).
not wanting to be perfect is part of perfection. in my opinion perfection has an superlative. that superlative is that something must have imperfection as well in order to be perfect. am i making sense?
i feel great about my psychosis to (just not the negative part) and i guess according to what i just said i am perfect, but only according to the superlative.
i guess it has a disease side.
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Post by noxot on Jan 11, 2012 23:30:29 GMT
so you think psychosis has to do with fallen nature? you mean like the flood? and after adam at the fruit? i can find myself in that, but does that then also mean psychosis is a disease? i guess not from what ur saying. I think it has to do with a fallen nature. but I think most things have to do with a fallen nature. desires, suffering, ect. I think that there was many different specific falls and a condition we can call "fallen nature" which has been around ever since we first fell, which i believe it to not have started with adam and eve. the flood happened but you will notice if you read enoch that a lot of it had to do with some angels falling to earth. if you mean a disease as in a purely physical condition then I would say no because I learned that it was spirit > soul > flesh. but the fallen nature affects the flesh because it affects the spirit and soul so then why not also physical things? and an angel said in a book i read that if you hurt the flesh that you hurt the spirit. ( I do not claim to fully comprehend anything that God or an angel or even humans say and mean though) I can see how not wanting to be perfect could be part of perfection, because I recall to mind that jesus said "only God is good" but sometimes not wanting to be perfect maybe could mean that i give up on trying to follow after jesus. a person that I think is wise said that perfect means to follow after Jesus/God with all your heart, mind, soul, spirit, body ,strength, and ect. perhaps we can say that there is a ultimate perfect which would be God. and then there is the "perfect" that is like an archangel and a "perfect" that is like the apostle paul who said he has fought the good fight. another example I think would be in the old testament it says something like "be holy, because God is HOLY". now you see I said the first holy as "holy" and the holy applied to God as "HOLY" because in the hebrew the word "holy" was spelled short and the word "HOLY" in hebrew was spelled fully. (I hope you can understand what I mean, I have a hard time explaining things) here is one last example about the meaning of perfect (that I heard from a person that i think has the Holy Spirit). Scripture says that no one can see God and live. For example, Exodus 33:20 says that God stated, 'You cannot see My face, for no man can see Me and live!' and then somewhere else the bible says: Then the LORD said, "Behold, there is a place by Me, and you shall stand there on the rock; and it will come about, while My glory is passing by, that I will put you in the cleft of the rock and cover you with My hand until I have passed by. Then I will take My hand away and you shall see My back, but My face shall not be seen." Exodus 33:21-23 so now you see that it says that moses saw the back of God but not his face. now when you follow someone you see their back and not their face, because the person you follow is leading you. but if you are facing a person then it is because you are going to opposite way that they are. God says that when man sees His face that they will die and dying is a kind of falling away just as living is an ascending to God. so it seems to say that no one can be perfect like God is but they can follow God and be perfect in that way. so anyways I think what you said about perfect having a superlative is what the bible seems to say and it seems that I agree with you. unless I did not understand you enough. |
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Post by stein on Jan 11, 2012 23:41:35 GMT
i understand you fully. i think. am quit...
you have great knowledge which i find to be correct.
i look forward to reading more from you and hope there will be more members, you and i and the rest can share with.
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