light in sight at the end.

[stein]

i do and can say there is a kind of like spark of hope, like the news says and keeps on going.

i do not try to take any negativity along, like negativity doesnt exist. burning bright and meant to shine at the lonely top.

therefor so many tears.

carrying on the pas and meant to stay, till my body does not live any more. so certain.

ray i see a light at the end. do you.

[noxot]

it is there if we see it or don't see it!

[stein]

like it comes without doubt the hopes and all the wishes. yes i agree its there also when i or we dont see it. but when i don't see it, i rather do or would see it. knowing there is something to carry on for, so i need to see it. or totally never needed to, thats seems like another side to me. and then periods between that.

i can say now i dont need anything at all, but would it be treu? i hope you can respond again

[noxot]

you don't need anything because you have God, lack is a lie. but I understand we all go through hard trials. I too want to see it, rather than not. I too need to see it, without it we have lack. you need to, everyone needs to. 'totally never needed to' in the sense that no one can take us from the Fathers hand. but if we do not see it then we blind ourselves. we go through times of not seeing in this world, for our good and betterment, everything that happens has Gods providence over it, even if it is not Gods will for all things to happen to us. we shall in a sense, if evil people torture us, if we bare it well, the Lord shall rejoice that we are so willing to forgive as he desires us to.

God is there through it all, and also saints that are dead and angels, they too suffer in a sense along with us. there is much to carry on for, to love and be innocent is a very good sacrifice to God, well pleasing to him. the greatest of all saints had dark periods in their life, even jesus himself has said:

Mark 14:32-46 (YLT)
And they come to a spot, the name of which is Gethsemane, and he saith to his disciples, `Sit ye here till I may pray;' and he taketh Peter, and James, and John with him, and began to be amazed, and to be very heavy, and he saith to them, `Exceeding sorrowful is my soul--to death; remain here, and watch.' And having gone forward a little, he fell upon the earth, and was praying, that, if it be possible the hour may pass from him, and he said, `Abba, Father; all things are possible to Thee; make this cup pass from me; but, not what I will, but what Thou.' And he cometh, and findeth them sleeping, and saith to Peter, `Simon, thou dost sleep! thou wast not able to watch one hour! Watch ye and pray, that ye may not enter into temptation; the spirit indeed is forward/ready/willing , but the flesh weak.' And again having gone away, he prayed, the same word saying; and having returned, he found them again sleeping, for their eyes were heavy, and they had not known what they might answer him. And he cometh the third time, and saith to them, `Sleep on henceforth, and rest--it is over; the hour did come; lo, the Son of Man is delivered up to the hands of the sinful; rise, we may go, lo, he who is delivering me up hath come nigh.' And immediately--while he is yet speaking--cometh near Judas, one of the twelve, and with him a great multitude, with swords and sticks, from the chief priests, and the scribes, and the elders; and he who is delivering him up had given a token to them, saying, `Whomsoever I shall kiss, he it is, lay hold on him, and lead him away safely,' and having come, immediately, having gone near him, he saith, `Rabbi, Rabbi,' and kissed him. And they laid on him their hands, and kept hold on him;

I think part of this sorrow jesus felt was sorrow that one of his own friends would betray him, but it was not a kind of sorrow that is evil. I heard before that jesus was not worried about him being tortured and being put to death, I heard he was the bravest of all people and not a coward at all. and so I have reason to believe he was sorrowful over his own children being the way that they treated him.

Luke 13:31-35 (YLT)
On that day there came near certain Pharisees, saying to him, `Go forth, and be going on hence, for Herod doth wish to kill thee;' and he said to them, `Having gone, say to this fox, Lo, I cast forth demons, and perfect cures to-day and to-morrow, and the third day I am being perfected; but it behoveth me to-day, and to-morrow, and the day following, to go on, because it is not possible for a prophet to perish out of Jerusalem. `Jerusalem, Jerusalem, that is killing the prophets, and stoning those sent unto her, how often did I will to gather together thy children, as a hen her brood under the wings, and ye did not will. `Lo, your house is being left to you desolate, and verily I say to you--ye may not see me, till it may come, when ye may say, Blessed is he who is coming in the name of the Lord.'

also here we see the perfect sorrow jesus had:

John 11:35 (YLT)
Jesus wept.

this was not any kind of earthly sorrow, it was a compassionate sorrow for others, and so with all you can, lean on God and do not trust the evil lacking sorrow or doubt, but reach out to the lord and remember the hope that God speaks about. everything we go through is for our good, God will make everything we go through help us rather than destroy us.